This interview (audio only) had a therapist audience in mind. See also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z164_aDHj6E&t=1689s and how to recognise the symptoms of codependency which was a more general discussion. Nancy L. Johnston, MS, LPC, LSATP, MAC is a Licensed Professional Counselor, Licensed Substance Abuse Treatment Practitioner, and Master Addiction Counselor in private practice in Lexington, VA. With 40 years of clinical experience, Nancy is an American Mental Health Counselors Association Diplomate and Clinical Mental Health Specialist in Substance Abuse & Co-Occurring Disorders. https://www.nancyljohnston.com/books
Noel Bell is a UKCP accredited Psychotherapist based in London.